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EDITOR’S NOTE: This 150+ page document is a continuously updated, cut-and-paste collection of threads - primarily Lotus Europa Twin Cam and some S2 – collected from two lists beginning in 1998. Where available, date stamps and email addresses are included from reference and further investigation. Regards, Warren Hartenstine 74 TC R3642

Contents

A/C *

BATTERY *

BODY, Front trunk *

BODY, Parts *

BODY, Paint cleaner *

BODY, Paint Stripping *

BODY, Removal *

BODY, Sill installation *

BODY, Sill paint *

BODY, Windows *

BRAKES, Fluid *

BRAKES, Inboard rear *

BRAKES, Master cylinder *

BRAKES, Tubing *

BRAKES, Tubing flare *

CARBERATERS, Rebuilding *

CARBERATORS, Stromberg *

CARBERATERS, Webers *

CARBERATERS, Temperature compensators *

CHASSIS, Closing plate *

CHASSIS, Identification *

COOLING SYSTEM, Cassette pump *

COOLING SYSTEM, Coolant *

COOLING SYSTEM, Water pump *

DASH, Structural support *

ELECTRICAL, Regulator *

ENGINE, Timing *

ENGINE, Tuning *

ENGINE, Turning *

ENGINE, Valves *

ENGINE, Valve shims *

EXHAUST, Muffler *

HELICOIL, Removal *

IGNITION, Electronic *

INTRUMENTS, Speedometer *

INSTRUMENTS, Tachometer *

INTERIOR, Dashboard glue *

LIST, Subscribing *

NUTS & BOLTS, Grade specification *

OIL *

OIL, Change & additives *

STEERING, Tie rod ends *

SUSPENSION, Hubs *

SUSPENSION, Loctite *

SUSPENSION, Lower links *

SUSPENSION, Pin removal *

SUSPENSION, Rear ‘clunk’ *

SUSPENSION, Rear hubs *

SUSPENSION, Roll center *

SUSPENSION, Shock absorbers *

SUSPENSION, Shock adjustment *

SUSPENSION, Spring compression *

SUSPENSION, Spring shortening *

SUSPENSION, Sway bar *

SUSPENSION, Sway bar bushings *

SUSPENSION, Twin Cam - Special differences *

TRANSAXLE, Spirol pin *

TRANSMISSION, Drain plug *

TRANSMISSION, Gear change *

TRANSMISSION, Freeing clutch *

TRANSMISSION, Linkage *

TRANSMISSION, Removal *

WHEELS, Hubcentric *

WHEELS, Well trim *

WINDSHIELD, Washer *

A/C

bdboyle@fpe.erenj.com (Boyle, Bryan D.) Subject: AC in a 'Ropa Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 08:11:01 -0500
Aaron spake thus: >"squirrel cage" blower that feeds air to the air box in front. My Europa (Special) doesn't have this, if I remember correctly. It had something in the same place that I didn't recognize, with a mini radiator inside the air box (for heat?).


Seem to recall that you mentioned that A/C had been installed in your car at one time; this may be the cooling coil for the installation. Blow air thru it, cooling it down, and open up the dash vents...the front trunk is a fresh air plenum, so this may have been the mod that got your car its ac flow. Have a feeling that the compressor was taken out at some point or another if you can't find it in the engine compartment...

From: ClassMaker@AOL.com hillmotorsports@sympatico.ca writes: I seem to recall seeing a picture on a website (somewhere) showing an evaporator installation in the front boot/heater plenum.


Cool Aire -- once had a kit for the TC. I've seen one with my own eyes. Yes, in the front boot. Very tidy. On a yellow (L07) TC in Biloxi, Mississippi, 1973. Could go on the S2 as well... if you can find one!!! Inquire at Banks Europa (UK) and see what they know. There's someone in the Ohio area with one in their car, and a brand new spare kit on the shelf, as I heard it. Also, someone on these lists took one off their car, IIRC. There was some discussion a few months back. Search the archives at our site on
www.onelist.com.

Tim Engel" <tengel@isd.net> Coolaire did an A/C system for the Europa TC... but that was a quarter of a century ago. At the time it was $235 complete with Sankyo compressor and 5.25" clutch. Such a deal. The contact info back then was:

Coolaire / Nordic, Attn. Michael Paquet
3701 North 29th Avenue
Hollywood, Florida

1 (305) 921-8474

I have absolutely no idea if any of that is still current. Check out the A/C from a Yugo. It used an electric compressor instead of engine-driven, greatly simplifying that aspect of the installation. Just put it anywhere you want and wire it in. Of course, you will need a larger alternator, perhaps the one from the donor Yugo. Also, check out the street rod industry... get some catalogs. There are several modular A/C-ventilation systems designed for installation in resto-rods. I know of one Esprit S2 owner who did a full restoration with upgrades. He replaced the stock ventilation system with a modular street rod unit that was more compact than the stock Lotus unit yet performed better. Stuff one of those in the Europa's front boot (trunk) and combine it with the Yugo compressor.

rgvivace@aol.com You want to go to the Banks/Europa Engineering site, which has details of their system based on a custom plenum, including some nice pictures on the "47 Replica photos" page.


AUTO-X, Preparation

"jeff hovis" <jhovis@mindspring.com> I received this via e-mail this morning from one of my Atlanta SCCA colleagues. It's an article from Grass Roots Motorsports and is about building a Europa Twink for autox.

Date: Sunday, February 27, 2000 11:55 AM Subject: recommended online article on engine rebuilds >This article happens to be about a rebuild to a Lotus Europa but it is so well done including pictures that I would recommend it to other folks. It happens to be for a A/Street Prepared autocross car.
>
http://www.lotuselan.net/print/magazines/grassroots_motorsports/90_5.html

Jay Mitchell <jemitchell@compuserve.com> I read the article, and it's generally OK. However, the authors did some "creative" rules interpretation. An engine built using the procedures they describe isn't quite a legal ASP engine. Caveat Emptor.

Jay Mitchell <jemitchell@compuserve.com> Friday night I finished reassembly of the car's suspension, removed the wheels/tires from their winter storage containers (garbage bags), installed them, and put the car back down on the floor. During the off season, I had done the following:

  1. Installed new shocks and springs to allow a further reduction in ride height. I had also raised the damping rates over my previous settings.
  2. Designed and fabricated a new front swaybar configuration that has articulating end links and is adjustable.
  3. Fitted fiberglass fender flares (no alliteration intended), filled and feathered the flanges, and cut more of the original fenders so as to have tire clearance at the reduced ride height.
  4. Rebuilt the halfaxles and replaced rear wheel bearings and spacers.

It's really low now: for those who measure such things, the leading edge of the front bumper is 13" off the floor, the bottom of the closing plate is 4", and the leading edge of the floor pan is just over 3". It's not feasible to reduce the car's ride height beyond this. It's almost down there with the Formula Fords now. Even at this low setting, there's still more than 2" of compression travel in both front and rear suspensions. I'm gonna have to modify my trailer so I can pull the car onto it without scraping. And I'm gonna have to grid with the formula cars because I won't be able to clear the course exit all the "real" cars have to use at one of our sites. I had calculated the required spring preloads at each corner using known corner weights. After settling the car's suspension, I checked ride heights for L/R match. Looked good. Last night I took corner weight measurements. No changes necessary: the calculated spring perch positions worked perfectly. I love it when things work out. 8<). Initial camber measurements yielded - 2.1 LF, - 2.1 RF, - 2.1 LR, and - 2.25 RR. The values at the front are what I wanted, but the rear values were a bit high. To reduce the rear camber, I used an adjustment I have never heard mentioned on any of the Lotus lists, including this one: I raised the transmission mount in its slotted bracket. This reduced the rear camber to 1.7 degrees left, 1.5 degrees right. Right on the money, and it had the added side effect of bringing the halfaxles closer to level in the static ride position. Using this adjustment saved me having to refit offset bushings on the inner ends of the lower links - I had gone back to the stock rubber ones at the inner ends, with offset Delrin bushings at the outer ends only. Now, all that's left is to do more sanding, filling, priming – mostly around the flares - and paint the car. Well, there's also the spare engine I'm building, but I don't figure on having that ready until July or so. My first autox event of the y2k season is March 19. I'm not sure I can complete the painting by then, but I'll have almost a month after that before our National Tour event, which is the drop-dead date for the cosmetic work. I'll update the list as I progress.

From: Jay Mitchell <jemitchell@compuserve.com> On Friday, March 24, I took the Europa to an Evolution Performance Driving School at Mineral Wells. For those of you who aren't familiar with autox, the school (originally called McKamey School) is specifically targeted at improving performance in the autocross
environment. In this regard, it's far more valuable than any racetrack-based school, as certain skills that are necessary for autox aren't taught in the on-track type of school. As I'm mainly interested in updating the list on the car's performance, I'll summarize the driver side by saying that, yes, the school is well worth the price of admission, even for an experienced autocrosser. More on all that in another post. The car: it's now evident from 20 school runs broken out into four groups that the car is ever so slightly loose on cold tires, and that the condition fixes itself entirely within half a run or so. This is nothing new, but it's worth knowing about. Otherwise, you're tempted to adjust your driving and/or the car after the first run, when what you really need to do is continue exactly as before and wait for the car's behavior to stabilize. This is the price of having such a light car. The rear tires build a bit more heat - typically they've been 10-15 degrees F hotter than the fronts when I've measured - so their grip improves more over cold. That also means they'll go off sooner if you heat them over the top, so the car will be loose either on cold or overheated tires. Overheating is unlikely, but it might happen in the 110+ heat we encounter in late July through August. If that's the case, I'll run road race compound tires during that part of the season. It's now apparent that the car can now be driven much more assertively than before through any type of course feature, particularly slaloms and offsets. Transient response is razor-sharp, thanks to the damping increase over my previous setup. Not that it was ever slow. It's also possible that the articulating swaybar end links have helped here. As there is now no bending of the bar, the front suspension is more supple around the static position, in spite of stiffer damping. Reducing the ride height below the car's already-low setting yielded another increment of improvement. As I noted before, the front wheels acquired more negative camber from the lowering - about 2.1 degrees - which I allowed to remain there, as the Hoosier radials are alleged to need this much. The rear wheels are set at about 1.6 degrees negative, which I can easily increase if necessary. So far, camber appears to be about right. I'm now using a bit more of the edges of the tires, although there is still relatively unmolested rubber at the very outside of the tread on the front tires. Overall assessment: the car's chassis development work is nearing completion. Further improvements will be increasingly subtle, and reducing my autox times by significant amounts will, in the future, have to come from engine and driver development. Compared to the previous iteration in its development, I'd say that the car is more than a second quicker on the McKamey course, which I was consistently doing in 34.0xx last Friday. The Hoosier autocross radials now have 31 runs on them, and you can still see the "holographic" portion of the tread, which is less than 1/32" deep on new tires. Looks like I'll be needing some more Formula V, or else I'll run out of stick long before I've used up the rubber. I've got photos of the car developed, and I'll scan them and upload them to my website tomorrow a.m. As soon as they're up, I'll post a URL. I'll say more about the driver part of the equation in a later post.

From: "Phil Ethier" <pethier@isd.net> This is in Texas, I believe. Concrete? I was just thinking that overheating tires on my car in autocross was just about impossible. We only have one concrete site here (2 events a year) and I don't think it is likely to be 110 degrees F air temp here in Minnesota any time soon. It is apparent that you are not getting the most out of your front tires. This also appears to be irrelevant. Since the car is always either loose or neutral, improvements to the rear stick would be required before worrying about the front stick. More engine than driver unless you come up against lame-brain courses. If the Real Roger Johnson is designing the courses down there in Texas, or the other designers are paying attention to him, that won't be a problem. This makes me feel better about myself. I got down to 34.136 on the standard McKamey course on the asphalt at Canterbury Park. Neither Jean Kinser or Brian Priebe were driving my car faster than I. I'm not kidding myself that I have anywhere near their talent for several reasons: I know my car better. They are not there to embarrass the student, but to teach. They had been trained by Jim McKamey to be kind to the customers' cars, particularly in shifting (and new school owner Jean Kinser is continuing that rule). I agree with Jay that this school is 100% worth the substantial entry fee.

From: Jay Mitchell <jemitchell@compuserve.com> If the forces generated were the only factor, concrete would always heat tires more. It's the color. On a hot day - even a moderate 95 or so - pavement temperatures on asphalt can easily get to 120+. Under these conditions, autocross compound tires have been heated close to their
optimum temperature before a runs begins. With concrete, the amount of heat is more a function of the length and intensity of the course. Concrete probably does heat tires more than asphalt under cool conditions, but that's not applicable here in Texas. Another factor is the pavement surface itself. Concrete doesn't change that much when it's heated by the sun. Asphalt oozes oil and gets really greasy. So, even if your tires don't go off when it gets hot, the pavement will. As an example, my car's attitude around the apex cone between segments 2 and 3 is neutral if you do it right, (mild) understeer if you're not patient. That's the targeted behavior. If a car oversteers in a maneuver like that, you won't be able to keep up with it when you encounter two of them in quick succession. kWeber 32/36 DGV on the stock intake manifold. 26mm primary, 27mm secondary. Same carb that's used on Formula Fords. Maximum power with this carb isn't any different than stock. The only engine upgrades I have done so far are a header and the Tilton flywheel. Engine is definitely a factor in Street Prepared. Ask anyone who does well in SP if they could turn similar times with a stock engine. That might be the case for high-torque cars that are traction-limited most of the time. It's definitely not the case in ASP, CSP, DSP, or (now FSP). All those guys are working hard to extract all the engine performance they can. So am I, once I get my income taxes paid for '99. :<( Do a compression check. If you've got the correct pistons, you'll get readings over 200 psi if the engine's in even mediocre condition. Flat top pistons will give readings around 160 psi. I got my best times solo, in the afternoon, in the first three segments. Segment 2 and three best times occurred in the same run. My best segment 4 time was the fifth morning run, with Larry Fine in the passenger seat. My best segment 5 time was on my third "baseline run" in the morning. I was within a few hundredths of my best segment times at various points
throughout the day. Likewise my best run times. I turned a 34.024 in the morning with Larry on board, a 34.098 in the afternoon with Ron Bauer along, and a 34.020 and a 34.042 during my last three runs with no passenger. If I could have put all my best segment times together - which isn't really feasible, as there are some cases where a quick time in one segment will hurt your time in the next one - I could have turned a 33.295. We can all dream, can't we? My best segment 3 and 4 times occurred in the same run, with Ron riding, in the afternoon. Well, you WERE paying attention on the first day (before you were a student), weren't you? ;<) My best segment 5 was pre-instruction - I really didn't need much help going around in a circle - but my best segment 2 was in the afternoon with Ron Bauer aboard. That makes perfect sense - passenger weight helps in a right-hand circle. They were telling us this sort of thing during our last three runs. I think that must be part of the standard instructional procedure. The "slalom," in my Europa, is completely flat out all the way until you have to brake for the first circle. A requisite for the best possible time in that segment would be a Pro Solo-style (dragstrip) launch. Since there was nothing at stake here, I refrained from doing that. My new U-joints are grateful, I'm sure. ;<)

BATTERY

Jerry Rude <gdrude@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: Europa Battery Question Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 07:29:39 -0800
Jerry Geil wrote: What is a good battery for a Lotus Europa Twin Cam? The previous owner of my car had a battery that was too large for the hold down system. I want to replace it so the battery can be solidly restrained. The workshop manual calls for an "Exide 6VTA 29L" 12-volt battery rated at 39 amp hours. None of the auto parts stores can figure out that rating. Batteries now are all rated in "cold cranking amps". What kind of cold cranking amps do I need for my Twin Cam?


Jerry, Thanks to personnel on this list, I selected a type 45 Delco Freedom battery for mine. It fits in the hole, and has vent tubes so you can direct the fumes away from all the "rustables". I don't know what the amp hours are, but they are significantly more than the original 39. I wanted a light but adequate battery, the more AH, the heavier the battery is. Jerry Rude 73 Europa

Richard.Longo@usa.xerox.com writes: > Also the battery cable to the starter should be in top shape. And the ground braid from motor back to chassis, as Mark MarKell has reminded me to pay attention to round trip current path from battery through starter. PS: I fussed around with my Europa's starter before LOG-18, thinking the solenoid contacts were marginal. Mark put a meter on the battery and watched it drop to about 2 volts. Bingo! We replaced that guaranteed "Firebrick" battery with el cheapo discount store battery from my 72 Dodge Dart. Cranked like crazy.


BATTERY, Front mount

rod farnsworth <farnsworthr@nucleus.com> From: "jeff hovis" <jhovis@mindspring.com> Has anyone successfully mounted a battery in the front of a Europa? I heard from someone a while back theirs was actually breaking through the fiberglass.


I had no problems so far. The battery is mounted on a steel tray and bolted through the fiberglass. I reinforced the underside with steel straps. The whole battery is encased in a box cover to conform to Vintage racing standards.

BATTERY, Jump starting

Karl-Franz Marquez <karlfranz@bol.net> Subject: Re: Jump Start Question (E) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 13:34:11 –0400 The donor car gets positive terminal to positive cable and negative terminal to negative cable. It is the car disabled car that has the negative cable connected to the block or some other suitable unpainted metal surface away from the battery. Here's all the steps: In cold weather, a good quality booster cable with four to six gauge wire is necessary to provide enough current to the disabled car to start the engine. (The smaller the wire gauge number, i.e., the larger the wire diameter, the better.) Please check the owner's manual for BOTH vehicles BEFORE attempting to jump start and follow the manufacturer's procedure because some cars should not be running during a jump start. However, starting the disabled car with the good car running can prevent having two disabled. DO NOT allow the booster cable clamps touch each other or the POSITIVE clamp to touch the frame or engine block.

  1. If BELOW freezing, determine that the electrolyte is NOT frozen in the dead battery. If frozen, allow to thaw BEFORE proceeding. A discharged battery, i.e., battery voltage or 12.0 volts or less or specific gravity of 1.140 or less, will freeze at approximately 8 degrees F (-15 degrees C).
  2. Without the cars touching, turn off all unnecessary accessories and lights on BOTH cars, insure there is plenty of ventilation, and put on some protective eye ware.
  3. Start the car with the good battery and let it run for at least two or three minutes at fast idle to recharge it's battery BEFORE proceeding.
  4. Connect the POSITIVE booster cable clamp (usually RED) to the POSITIVE terminal on the dead battery. Connect the POSITIVE booster cable clamp on the other end of the booster cable to the POSITIVE terminal on the good battery.
  5. Connect the NEGATIVE booster cable clamp (usually BLACK) to the NEGITIVE terminal on the good battery and the NEGATIVE booster cable clamp on the other end to a clean, unpainted area on the engine block or frame on the disabled car AWAY from the battery.
  6. Let the good car to continue to run at high idle for five minutes OR MORE to allow the dead battery to receive some recharge and to warm it's electrolyte.
  7. Start the disabled car and allow to run at high idle. If the car does not start the first time, recheck the connections, wait a few minutes and try again.
  8. Disconnect the booster cables in the REVERSE order, starting with the NEGITIVE clamp on the block or frame of the disabled car to minimize the possibility of an explosion.
  9. As soon as possible, fully recharge and test the dead battery for latent or permanent damage as a result of the deep discharge.

BEARINGS, U-joint replacements

"Tim Engel" <tengel@isd.net> Subject: Re: Wheel bearings & Ujs Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 23:01:32 –0600 09 Nov 99, Aaron Hines <whs018@conrad.appstate.edu> wrote: 1) The cross reference was published in 6/78.
> Are the part numbers still valid?

Yes. The size and configuration are industry standard. The exact part numbers vary with from one manufacturer to the next.

>2) The reccommended bearings for the rear are A)Fafnir 206PP for rear outer, B)MRC 206-SZZ for Special inner. Are these correct? Are there newer and better alternatives?

The TC Special uses the same bearing for inner and outer. Yes the bearing numbers you listed are correct. There may be more brands to choose from, but the bearing configuration is an industry standard. The Fafnir 206PP and MRC 206-SZZ are basically interchangeable counterparts. Here are some more.

TC Special, Inner & Outer:
Lotus 36D6017
.... Bore.. 30 mm... 1.1811"
.... O.D.... 62 mm... 2.4409"
.... Width 16 mm.... .6299"
A light series, non-filling slot, single row radial bearing with two seals.
Fafnir........................................... 206PP
New Departure........................... Z99506
Federal Mogul, Bower & BCA.. 206
MRC............................................. 206-SZZ
SKF & FAG................................. 6206-2RS

> 3) The listing for the front bearings is a little confusing (to me, anyway). For front inner and outer, it lists 2 different bearings, a "cone" and a "cup". Which do I need? The suggestions are all made by Timken.

Europa front wheel bearings are from the Triumph Spitfire. Front wheel bearings are two-piece assemblies. A separate outer race, the "Cup", is pressed into the hub. The taper roller bearing (the "Cone") is pressed onto the spindle. You will need to purchase Cup and Cone sets for both the inner and outer bearings on each spindle... and seals. There used to be a Timken Cup and Cone set sold under the GHB1__ numbers listed below, but I don't think they're still available that way. The 07___ format is for the separate Cup and Cone bearings.

................. Inner.............. Outer......... Seals
Lotus....... 36C6017...... 36C6016... 36C6018
Timken.... GHGB111.... GHB110.... GHB146 Cup and Cone sets.
Inner Bearing (Cone)..... Timken 07100S Cone
Inner Race (Cup)............ Timken 07210X Cup
Outer Bearing (Cone).... Timken 03062 Cone
Outer Race (Cup)........... Timken 03162 Cup
Cup & Cone purchased separately

> 4) Also, I'll do new UJs while I'm at it. The cross reference reccommends Hardy-Spicer Type U-110 #K5-GB161 (that fits a TR-3). Is this the non-lubrucation-port type I've heard about?

Yes, that's the good U-joint. No provision for a grease fitting, but it has good seals and it last a long time. Make sure to assemble it with all the grease it will hold. Not just the little smear it comes with. Here are others:

Lotus................ A074D6008Z
BAP-Geon....... U-110
Hardy Spicer... K5-GB161 (alias GKN)
Also used on:
Triumph............ TR-3, TR-4, TR-4A, TR-250, TR-6
Volvo................ 164, 164E
Renault............. R4, R6, R12, R16


>BTW, I *still* haven't managed to get the drive yoke off the output of the gearbox! It is stuck rather well. What was the suggested removal (gear puller *didn't* work)?

Do you have the roll pins out? (Visually inspect the bore for a broken off stub of a roll pin.) I've had the pins fracture in the bore at the joint line between the ID of the yoke and the OD of the output shaft, turning the roll pin into three pieces. Then the slightest mis-alignment of the holes (1 in the shaft and 2 in the yoke) causes the fractured end of the pin to stub it's toe against the edge of the next hole. In that case, you can hammer on them all day long and not drive them out. You're better off trying to get a grip on the exposed end and pulling it out. Easy Out, Vise Grips... It's not easy, but at least it's not futile. If all remnants of the pins are out and the yoke still won't slide off of the output shaft, it's probably rusted on. It could have been Locktited on, but that's a no-no. In either case, spend a few days soaking it in penetrating oil. Kroil is probably the best. Then install a puller, apply plenty of tension, and then heat the outside of the yoke with a propane torch. Heat it evenly all around. Not just warm, HOT. Periodically apply a little more tension to the puller. Now is the time to exercise your best bar-room vocabulary. How old are you? The applied heat will toast the output shaft seals and O-rings, so plan on replacing them. They're due anyway, so it's no loss.

BEARINGS, Spacers

SJMARCY@aol.com I came across an easy way to get super strong, precise between-the-sealed-bearing spacers. Drill jig bushings. For $ 3.66 each I obtained a few 1 3/16 ID straight simple bushes made of hard, high grade, well finished, shiny steel. They are a hair too long though and will need a quick lathe job to get them down to the 2 inch stock Special length. Earlier cars use 2 1/8 length spacers with the small inner bearings. The stock 30 mm stub axle diameter is quite a bit smaller than the stock tube-spacers. A loose fit is prone to problems since the spacer won't self center itself. A bad combo given known compressive yield issues. So at one section only about half of the stock tube more or less touches the bearing rings due to the loose fit.. Again, not so hot! By using a 1 3/16 drill jig bush with a precise, accurate ID we wind up about 0.006 inches larger than the stub axle OD. It pilots on the 30 mm portions of the stub axle at either end so it is very stable. The lathe work to cut the length down from 2 1/2 to 2 inches might take me about 15 minutes or so on my small lathe. Shorter lengths might be available - my supplier was out of stock. The Europas with the 31 mm ID inner bearings can't use that size. But it's a good idea to machine such a stub axle down to 30 mm OD anyway so that cheaper, readily available bearings can be used.. If you have it all apart, of course. Else use a larger ID drill jig bush.

BODY, Door hinges

From: Michael Johannes Ditz <mditz@bndlg.de> From: <phil72@snet.net> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 3:14 PM > Has anyone on the list seen , or have any experience with the door hinges that Banks sells ? I have been trying to align my doors to get ready for paint ,but when I tighten the assemblies in place the rod is impossible to remove. It seems the bobbins that are in the doors are nowhere near parallel to one another. I need to be able to remove the doors without loosening the hinges to paint the jambs.

Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [lotuseuropa] Europa Doors The pin does not come out with the hinges fixed. You could run the car for 20 years without the securing pin in the rod. The Banks hinges are very massive and I personally did not succeed in putting them into place. I think they have to be machined at the top first.

BODY, Fasteners

magriese@us.ibm.com Subject: Fasteners Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 07:25:46 –0500 If you're looking to replace those rusty old fasteners in your car with nice clean stainless steel, a company called McMaster-Carr is worth a look. You can order single quantity bolts from their website http://www.mcmaster.com at their box rate. So, if you want 5 M8x45 bolts and the box price is $29.00 per 100, you pay 5x29/100 = $1.45. Don't work for them, don't own any part of them, but I did place an order for most of the external bolts, washers and nuts for my engine - total was around $120 including shipping.

BODY, Fiberglass

Some questions: 1) How critical is the mix ratio for final result - i.e. does it just affect hardening time or does it actually influence the strength?

Hardener mix does indeed affect the strength. In non structural applications you probably don't need to be overly concerned with it. The more catalyst you put in to speed up the curing process the more brittle the hardened resin will be. It is also important to the overall strength of the job to get as much fiberglass and as little resin into the work area as possible. That is to say - use the amount of glass needed - and use as little resin as possible while avoiding resin starved areas and pinhole bubbles. Resin starved areas are the biggest error I have seen on fiberglass repairs. Next most common problem is insufficient cleaning of the surface being bonded to. (These are opinions and certainly not statistically backable facts)

2) Does the shape of the container have any influence on hardening time? Will mix in a large shallow container harden faster than in a small tall one?

Shape of the container will affect the set up to some degree. If you have a square it will set up faster than if you were using a baking sheet. This however should not affect you. Mix only what you can use within the working time of a container like a can or similar mixing container.

3) Is it worthwhile to try to reuse brushes?

I second the motion of using the CHEAPEST brush you can find. Don't hassle with trying to clean it out and salvage it. Brushes can be had at Home Depot for $.79 -.99. Briggs Pletcher

Briggs Pletcher wrote: > In non structural applications you probably don't need to be overly concerned with it.

That was my point. None of the fiberglass on a Europa is structural.

> The more catalyst you put in to speed up the curing process the more brittle the hardened resin will be.

That's true, but too little glass will make a brittle repair regardless of the catalyst ratio.

> That is to say - use the amount of glass needed - and use as little resin as possible while avoiding resin starved areas and pinhole bubbles.

Unless you're vacumm-bagging, some voids are inevitable. As they were on Lotus' original layup work. I have used a 3" fine nap paint roller to roll out mat layup, and that does a good job of saturating the layup while using minimum resin.

> Next most common problem is insufficient cleaning of the surface being bonded to. (These are opinions and certainly not statistically backable facts).

I'm in agreement with the need for cleanliness. To get a structural bond, you really need to sand or grind through the original gelcoat and do the repair layup on the original fiber/resin material. It's almost a certainty that there will be voids that must be filled after repair, but careful saturation and rolling (there are toothed metal rollers that are good for this as well) will keep them to a minimum.

> Shape of the container will affect the set up to some degree. If you have a square it will set up faster than if you were using a baking sheet.

My recommendation is not to wet the mat before applying it. Rather, wet the area to which the mat will be applied, carefully lay the mat in place, then add resin as necessary until the mat is thoroughly saturated. This is where the roller technique comes in handy.

> This however should not affect you. Mix only what you can use within the working time of a container like a can or similar mixing container.

I usually mix resin in batches of 10 ounces or less. By the time I've got that worked in, it's usually starting to go off (gel). If I need more, I put the brush and/or roller in an acetone bath, and mix again. Other tips I have found useful:

  1. Mix resin in foil baking tins, available at the grocery store. They'll hold about as much resin as you can lay up before gel.
  2. Always use chemical resistant gloves.
  3. You can never have too much acetone on hand.
  4. If you can get 3/4 oz. mat, definitely do so. It conforms to tight contours much better than the more common 1 1/2 oz variety. Use the light mat to make a skin coat, then use the heavier stuff for buildup.
  5. You'll get best results by far if your work area and all of your materials are at least 70 degrees F. 80 is even better. Polyester resin will not cure below 60, so don't even try if it's anywhere near that temp.
  6. If you're using resin you bought at an auto parts store, your layup will have a layer of wax on top after it cures. ALWAYS remove this, first with acetone, then with 80 or 100 grit sandpaper, before doing any additional layup or finish work.
  7. If you can see a bubble of any size below the surface of your repair, go ahead and cut into it, then level the area as much as possible by sanding around the edges.
  8. Once you've got your repair worked down to relatively small voids, use polyester body filler, then polyester primer/surfacer, to complete the fill/build process.
  9. If your layup has edges that will need to be trimmed, you can do so very easily with a utility knife just after the resin hardens enough to stiffen the protruding fibers. Wait any longer, and you'll need to use a grinder.

That's all I can think of right now. Hope it's useful. Jay Mitchell

BODY, Front trunk

Jerry Rude <gdrude@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: How many holes (U) Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 13:30:12 –0700
David B Anderson wrote: How many holes are there in the front luggage area (boot, trunk) of a 1972 Europa Twin Cam? (not the spare wheel/tire area, the luggage area). I believe the emergency brake bolts up there, two holes. The emergency brake pivot has, I think, four holes of a small diameter on the floor, spanning the centerline. The windshield wiper motor, one or two more holes on the passenger side, rear bulkhead. Two holes, about 1 inch diameter on either side with small rubber grommets that plug them, they lead into the pass and driver compartments, and are on the floor, forward (for what purpose, I don't know). Two holes, 1/4 inch, below fan hole for fan bracket.

BODY, Gas struts

Jerry Rude <gdrude@pacbell.net> I too have to add the gas struts. The 74 models had the struts stock. Ken Landaiche has a drawing showing the lower supports needed to install the struts, the upper support, however, hasn't been drawn yet. The normal Lotus suppliers still stock the struts (same as on an Eclat/Elite front strut). I haven't calculated the strut size yet, but plan to do so in the near future, just to save a few $$. Once two struts are on the hood/bonnett, no extra stiffing should be required as it will be evenly supported.

Jerry Rude <gdrude@pacbell.net> Mine had the single prop in the rear, front too. It had lost the grommet on the lower pivot, and had ripped down the fiberglass about 2 inches. After repairing that mess, and looking at the situation of working on the engine with the tray out, I decided to go with the struts. The later 74s had struts, so I'm not really getting too away from stock, except that the lower attachment points are in a different location than original. I wanted to do something that 1) didn't require I reinstall the brace across the firewall, 2) would minimize any stresses on the hood, and 3) would be universal for all Europas, if possible. I think I've achieved all what I set out to do, the struts have 26lb force each, the lower points bolt to the fenderwells where the 4 bolt flanges do for the seat belt tension bars did (will work if you have them also), the upper and lower points align horizontally when the hood is shut, so no vertical stress on the hood when it is closed. The only modification to the car to install them is 4 rivet holes on each side of the hood, on the vertical edges. The hood opens pretty wide, about as far as when I was using the lotus #1 tool (6 foot wood dowel), not so far as to look unseemly, but enough to have full access. I hope to publish a little article soon. From a practical point, its soooo much better. When closing, light pressure is required so minimal stress on the glass during transition. Cost was about $75 or so.

BODY, Gelcoat repair

farberjf@us.ibm.com I brushed regular resin on ...... carefully. It did just what I wanted which was seal the surface and eliminate future problems........ It hardened and I sanded lightly to flatten. I primered and painted as usual.

Mark Hollingsworth <markh@olympus.net> > I’m finding a lot of small hairline cracks or starbursts.. any easy way to seal them?


The only reliable way to keep those from coming back is to grind them out and repair them. There is an 'accepted method' for this that works quite well. Some other methods may work for awhile, but I wouldn't count on anything else keeping long term problems away.

Jerry Rude <gdrude@pacbell.net> Don't go thru the primer, stop there. The starbursts/cracking is called "stress cracks" and is due the brittleness of the gel coat on the fiberglass. R&D enterprises sells what is called "tissue" which
is very thin fiberglass mat. You sand down thru the gel coat and then use this with resin to bring the surface back up. Works great, but is tedious, and the only way to prevent recurrence of the cracking. Don't try just filling and sealing, doesn't work.

BODY, Lifting

From: "Jay Mitchell" <jemitchell@compuserve.com> Given that you contemplate suspending a substantial weight
overhead, you need to be VERY careful in how you lift and secure your car's body.

  1. Your hanging points must be through-bolted with large flat washers on both sides of the wooden beam. Use Grade 5 or better hardware everywhere.
  2. Don't use rope, use steel aircraft cable with properly terminated loop ends (with Crosby clips).
  3. Use forged eyebolts and/or threaded chain end links. DO NOT use S-hooks or bent eyebolts.
  4. Use a come-along, as opposed to a block and tackle, to do the lifting. The ratchet in the come-along will prevent the body from dropping if your hand slips on the handle.
  5. The rule of thumb for overhead suspension is a minimum 5:1 safety factor. I use 10:1. This means that the structure from which you hang the body should be capable of supporting 2000 lbs - if your estimate of the Europa's body weight is accurate - without giving way.

The above precautions are all in the interest of personal safety - yours and anyone else's who might be in the garage while the car's body is hanging in the rafters. As for supporting the body itself, I'd use two loops of nylon webbing through the door openings, with additional straps to hold each loop in its intended fore-aft position. I believe this will balance reasonably well.

From: Mark Hollingsworth <markh@olympus.net> Here's what I did: Use a cherry picker (under $200) and climbing rope. Suspend the body front and rear and pick the whole works off. I did it by myself - and reinstalled it by myself also. The cherry picker is great for doing engines/trans too, since you can move things around. I even use it for loading heavy stuff into a truck. I can't remember how much I paid for mine, but I'm sure it was well under $200, and worth every cent. Now they have fold up ones for about the same price, so they don't take up so much room when not in use.

From: "Briggs Pletcher" <Briggs1@ix.netcom.com> Lifting the body is probably best done with 4 guys (people),
certainly not a requirement but a nice insurance policy. The weight isn't that great but you could be in for some disconcerting cracking noises if you try to lift the body off without keeping it level. Having extra hands also allows for someone to run around to find out why it's not coming off as easily as you thought it would. The "body shell" itself is really light, one person could move it around if it weren't so awkward. My neighbor and I danced around my garage, driveway and yard over the years with the body before if finally went back on to the frame. What is different about your car however is that I believe you still have the windshield, windows and doors attached to the shell. These items (glass and motors) along with all of the other interior pieces, gas tanks and radiator add a substantial weight to the overall body. You may want to consider taking the doors off to lighten the load. It's not much but it does lighten the load and you can get better access to grabbing the side sills when you can lean into the body a little bit. As for the hanging thought. Not bad, it would probably work but you may find it to be a nuisance every time you want to work on the body that you have to take it up and down. An alternate offering, one that worked well for me, is to build a rolling dolly that you set the body on. I supported only the floor pan and let the ends hang off of the dolly. If you make it tall enough to clear the tires on the frame you can store the body and frame side by side and only increase the overall width by on half of the frame. Depending how far in you put the wheels on the dolly you may even be able to do better than that. The other nice part about doing this is that the body is always within reach and is held secure while you do all of the little things that you will end up doing to the interior or the body itself. The other benefit is that it was CHEAP, a factor that seems of value to you. I actually used scrap lumber and bought pivoting wheels for about $50.

BODY, Locks

From: Mark Hollingsworth <markh@olympus.net> New Europa boot lock sets are still available. The usual Vendors (Tingle, Bean, RD, JAE)

>From:
dsrgr@aol.com I managed to lose the key to my trunk lock and had another one made after taking the hinge pins out to get it open. I've now discovered that the threads for the bolt that holds the securing clip on are stripped. Anyone know what type of vehicle the lock came from and if they might still be available?

BODY, Parts

Benjamin Levy (hedge spice) <seven@apocalypse.org> Subject: Engine-less Europa for sale in MA. Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 14:17:02 –0400 I heard (second hand) that Rob Quindezi (sp?) has engine-less Europa for sale. That car was used for racing, so it has various modifications. It has Hewland transaxle, flared fenders and an easy-off body. You can reach Rob at Shine Racing Service (SRS) at 508 660-7974. 508 is on the South Shore of Massachusetts, near Boston.

BODY, Paint cleaner

"Peter M. Blackford" <pmbsab@naples.infi.net Subject: "clay" paint cleaner? Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 21:22:22 –0400 I don't know if anyone here is familiar with this product, but it's been getting some good press... this is just one of several notes: Just thought I would mention the use of this clay and my results. I only had the time to do the hood and roof today, but the results are GREAT! Before you could run your hand over the surface after just washing the car. You could feel all the "crap" that had planted itself on the paint. After using the Clay Magic on the surface, it was unbelievable how smooth it became. You could see in the clay all the crap it picked up. I then waxed the surface with carnuba and WOW! What a great shine. Hopefully I'll have the time to finish the rest of the car next weekend. I recommend this highly. My car is a 93 and has never had anything but wax performed on the paint. This is now a must do. It is quite easy to do. It might add an extra 45min to 1 hr, but your car will love you for it. You can get this stuff from Don Mallinson. Check out his web site http://www.dccarcare.com. It is a small investment to help your paint. (probably available elsewhere, as well... not a commercial message).

One warning though. If you pick up "chunks" of dirt etc. in the clay, you can end up putting fine scratches all over you paint job. But use care, and the results are great. Tim Mullen, Chantilly, VA

BODY, Paint numbers

Tell me your paint code and I'll look up the Pinchin Johnson numbers, etc. "Service Parts List" section BL has all the paint codes & names listed. (LO-?? usually etched into the chassis ID plate, in the engine bay?) Do you know the name of the color? Maybe "Ford Tawny (Met)" L-16 or "Roman Bronze (Met)" L-34 ?

Start by looking on the VIN plate for a 'paint code' box (Usually very small and hard to see) which often has the paint code scratched in by hand. It will probably be a letter and two digits like 'L11' for my Elite. The paint codes are listed in the workshop manual and a good automotive paint retailer can make up a touchup quantity. The manual gives an ICI number which is a large automotive paint distributor similar to PPG or DuPont>

BODY, Paint Stripping

"Tim Engel" <tengel@isd.net> Subject: Stripping FRP (was Re: Comments?) Using a chemical stripper to take paint off a fiberglass part can be risky. I've gotten away with it, but I've only tried it on small parts I wouldn't cry over if things went south. I wouldn't want to risk it on a car body. If the stripper gets to the glass fiber, it will wick into the matte or weave. Once in there, it's difficult or impossible to get out. Depending upon the type of chemistry, it may actually attack the FRP, or it may just make painting problematic. A "little" pocket of stripper in the fibers will attack any paint that is applied over it and cause it to lift or blister. Some strippers are stronger that others. The strongest ones will actually attack the resin in a FRP part. I used a water based chemical stripper to take some paint off a fiberglass laminated wood structure (fuselage of an RC sailplane), and ended up taking all the glass off with the first application. Milder strippers may not attack the resin and the gelcoat may protect the fiber matte/ cloth from the nastier effects. May. If the gelcoat is intact and crack free. But any chip that exposes the matte, any stress crack that allows the gel to wick into the fiber, any stress crack repair in progress that exposes fibers... is potentially a problem. The gentleman who purchased my late '71 Europa S2 decided it need to be stripped and resprayed (and it did). He took it to a specialty body shop known for the beautiful work they did on Porsches, BMW's and Mercedes... but no fiberglass cars. They chemically stripped it. There was a small starburst stress crack in the center of the roof. After stripping the car, they repaired the starburst and repainted the car. About a month later the paint blistered where the star had been. They sanded it down and repainted. It blistered. Sanded and painted. It blistered. I saw the car periodically for several years afterwards and it always had the blister. The roof was repainted several times and the blister always returned. I don't know what stripper they used... sorry. But I know I won't use a chemical stripper on a fiberglass car. Sand it or take it in to be media blasted. If you blast it, be aware that blasting has a whole can of worms all it's own. Aggressive, hard media or high pressure can do severe damage to a fiberglass body... lightweight Lotus bodies in particular. Go to someone experienced in blast-stripping fiberglass, have a serious heart-to-heart about the delicate nature of Lotus bodywork, use only "soft" media like plastic, ground walnut shells or soda and keep the pressure low. Go slow. Strip the gray primer and sand from there.


I'm not trying to be an alarmist, but there are some risks you should know about. I do suggest you invest in some sandpaper. However, if you do continue with the chem-strip, don't try to take it all the way down chemically. It sounds like there's a lot of paint build up on your car, so be happy with just chem-stripping the upper layer, then sand it the rest of the way down to the primer. When you are done, wash the car thoroughly with acetone. Then let it sit and bake in the hot sun for a month or more to drive out any volatiles before attempting to paint it. Regards, Tim Engel


21 Mar 99, Mark MarKell <
Type46@micro-engineering.com> wrote: I seem to remember a note from someone about strippers used on glass being not a good idea. Is that so? Something > about absorption or damage at the gel-coat level?

The key is water soluble strippers...... I basically gave my car a light sponge bath after I stripped each section ---and it was clean after. Also since you will be grinding down all those cracks it wont be a problem. As an aside ---after stripping many more cracks will be visible.......I fixed about 150 spots. That was 5 years ago -- not 1 crack has returned. I tell you I have had hudreds of "experts" (folks with no experience stripping) tell me that it wouldnt work......... All I have is experience both ways. My partner and I have now restored six glass cars. And if only a small bit needs to be repaired ---we sand. Ask each person that gives you an opinion how many complete cars THEY have stripped. -----Joel

Do not use paint strippers. It will be absorbed into the 'glass, and later it will bleed out and ruin the paint job. The only good way is to sand it down. Good 'ol manual labor... If you are interested in a *good* body shop that specializes in Lotus, Evans Leinbach in Salisbury North Carolina, does *excellent* work. He did my car, and several other have seen it, and taken their car to him also. For what it's worth, my Elan won Best of Show at the LOG 18, mostly due to Evan's paint job (and body work). Several others at the LOG also decided to take their car to him after seeing mine... The pictures aren't very high resolution, but check out my web site <http://www.erols.com/elans4/> Tim Mullen, Chantilly, VA 72 Elan Sprint

This is a big topic and has been discussed frequently on the List. I restore Lotuses for a living and have stripped several. I have tried everything. There is basically no alternative to sanding off the paint. The relatively flat surfaces can be sanded with a pneumatic dual-action (random orbital) sander with about 80 grit down into the original color, then 150 or 220 down to the original primer. Then it is best to hand sand (preferably wet sand) down to bare gel coat, probably gray on your car. If you don't have a big industrial air compressor, you won't be able to run a D-A sander for more than 5 minutes out of every 15... The sharp corners and deep features will have to be laboriously hand sanded. Some have had success with chemical strippers or bicarbonate of soda blasting. I have not. No shortcuts to a lasting result. Randall Fehr Restorations, Seattle

Stripping -- how to have more fun. By Joel Farber

Maybe your Lotus could use paint and you have time on your hands and you need a challenge. It is generally accepted that if you want a "real good" paint job - you want to start by getting down to the naked surface. Additionally, getting all that old paint off reduces the weight of the car, aiding the performance.

Well, the following are some considerations and revelations discovered as I decided to strip the paint off my 69 Elan+2 to prepare It for its new paint.

The historical wisdom and almost universal practice among the west coast professional glass painters I have talked to is: "grind it off". However, I was concerned about my skill and results (possibly ruining the gel coat or the shape) using a power grinder. I will not discuss the pros and cons of the two approaches - which gets religious ….

Alternatively, according to Miles Wilken's book, How to Restore Fibreglass Bodywork (Osprey series), the other method is chemical stripping - with care. This is the route I chose. It took me in the vicinity of 100 hours and about $60 worth of stripper. Also on a personal note, I believe in better living through chemistry.

Many strippers say that they strip glass and do it - but soften the gel coat. A water soluble stripper - applied properly, is necessary. I used J. Scott Company's RFD stripper (175 Barneveld Ave, San Francisco, Ca. 415-824-1741 ).

They aren't enthusiastic about selling less than a case ..... however, they are more pliable if you go and pick It up. This stripper worked well and left the gel coat hard as a rock - when the directions were followed. It was very safe in that the stripper could be left in contact with the gel for several minutes without damage.

One benefit of chemical stripping is that since the glass gets completely exposed, all the glass defects are easily visible, so none are missed as might happen it repairs are made only where the defects show through the paint.

One disadvantage of the chemicals is that once chemicals have been used on paint, you are committed to remove all that paint. New paint will not adhere well to contaminated paint. So the worst case is needing to sand to remove "partial work". However, I had no such problems.

Let me note up front that there is some messiness involved in the process, and you absolutely should PROTECT YOUR EYES at all times. I also used black textured Boss brand gloves that I got at Orchard Supply for $2.50 that worked extremely well and didn't dissolve. The stripper burns skin - but is neutralized by water - so have some handy.

My car had 4 coats of paint when I began: an outer black coat over the car, sometimes below that was a red primer, below that was what I believe to be the original factory British racing green, below that a grey-white primer.

The effort to strip the paint was uneven. Sometimes the paint was stubborn (esp. areas like the bonnet that were engine baked), other areas were a piece of cake. Your effort will vary depending on the specifics of the paint.

I discovered that there is no one technique for doing the stripping that works for all situations. Here is what I found by trial and error:

The black outer coat tended to respond best to a thick stripper application - It bubbled quickly and came off beat by scraping It with a putty knife.

The green factory coat was very hard being 20 years old, Again, after a thick application of stripper and waiting 10+ minutes, it scraped off with force. However, the 2' knife was still more effective then a wire brush.

The grey white primer was thick and soft. Again, a fairly heavy application of stripper, 5-10 minutes time and a wire brush turned it into a slurry that got about 80% of It. The next coat of stripper and #0 steel wool got the surface completely clean to the naked tanish gel coat. I then wiped the surface dry with another piece of clean steel wool.

I found that I had to push quite vigorously on the tools to get the paint off, and was surprised that the amount of force used didn't hurt the glass at all. The stripper didn't harm metal or ordinary glass, but be careful near rubber or synthetics. Again, PROTECT YOUR EYES.

My results were very good. At the point where I declared victory, I had removed the doors, windows, and all trim items. I did the door jams (necessary if changing colors), rocker panels, 2" down into the engine compartment, the boot channel, the light pods, and down under the car to the front and rear seams.

JerTigger@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Stripping Paint - Europa Special Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 17:58:24 EST
I am currently removing all the paint from my 72 Europa TC. The best product I could find for the price is BIX all finish paint remover. It costs about $10 per gallon at Home Depot. I slop it on thick, reapply several times to keep it wet over the course of 1 1/2 hours then use a plastic putty knife and it comes off like a gob of slime. This car has been repainted twice, very thick coats and most areas I get it down to the first coat of primer if not to the gel coat.

I know you don't want to hear it, but sanding is the best method, even though it takes much time and patience, it produces the best result, and it doesn't go thru the primer surfacer original to the car. Just sand to the grey and stop. Jerry Rude 73 Special VIN 4005R

I have read the GGLC article and do not entirely agree with it. I don't understand "sanding leads to waves - unavoidably", unless it is understood that sanding off all the primers (block sanded at the factory) and fillers (applied and sanded in repairs later) reveal all the imperfections in the moulding. Some of these flaws were there from manufacture, some appear over time with aging and expansion/contraction of the resin in the structure. Others from damage. What I'm getting at is that 80% of a repair/repaint is sanding fillers and primers to a perfect, flaw-free shape. And for that to remain fairly stable over the years, you should remove all the old layers of paint, primer etc. Some say to leave at least the factory primer under the original color to save some of this effort, but I have not often found this to be practical. The very best info on stripping, repairing and painting Lotus bodies is Miles Wilkins' two books in the Osprey Restoration series - out of print. Apparently they are still available from www.Lotus-Books.com in Germany. I highly recommend you study these. –Randall

I'm going through the same process with my 72 TC. Thought I'd pass on my experience. The Europa has one quirk to it's fiberglass - it doesn't like paint. Well, you have to admit, this isn't your normal car... seriously, if you strip it to bare fiberglass and then paint it, the paint begins to bubble up in a couple of years. Reason: the primer gets sucked into the glass fibers, and comes loose later. From what I've heard, multiple coats of primer don't help any. So, when someone tells you not to sand past the gelcoat, the gray coat over the fiberglass, that's why you shouldn't. I'm stripping mine by hand right now. It's a long, drawn out process that involves a paint scraper (faster than sanding) here the paint will come loose, and the sander where it won't. In the process, I'm finding out that my euro spec TC has been crunched in the front, and the massive slabs of bondo around the front turn signals are now coming loose. No simple solution for that situation. Be prepared for a long, drawn out process, I've been scraping in evenings off and on since last fall, and winter hiatus aside, I've cleared maybe half the car. However, if you plan to keep the car for more than two years, this is something that has to be done. --John

Mark Hollingsworth <markh@olympus.net> Subject: Re: Fwd: Stripping Paint - Europa Special Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 08:59:33 –0800 I personally wouldn't use any paint stripper. I know people that have, but there is too good of a chance of getting it into the gel coat. Even if it doesn't damage it, there is a good posibility of later problems with paint contamination. Sanding. I hate to say it, but thats really the best way. Try not to go through the original primer (if it is still there). If the paint it original, I'd sand with 180grit, nothing heavier. That can take a long time, but you have solves the problem of sand scratches showing through the final paint. Sanding it wet will make the paper work much better and last longer.

Sorry to reply to this so late, but I have stripped paint off my Plus 2. For the first top coat I used chemical stripper, being very careful to remove it again almost immediately as if it touches the glass, then the gel coat will dissolve. After that I used 3M safety Stripper which is also chemical, but does not attack the glass. Its very slow. Apply on thick, cover with clingwrap and leave overnight. Works beautifully. However the safest method is to sand using a big block and wet paper. Just go down to the grey primer. Go any further and you will sand the heads off air bubbles in the gel coat which are a pain to recitify. For all those nasty little corners etc like around door jambs etc use the safety stripper. ray edwards

farberjf@us.ibm.com I didnt have any residual solvent problems at all. But after stripping I had many different surfaces (repairs / different types of glass.....). I painted on the thinnest possible coat of glass epoxy resin ---then sanded. It gave me one uniform surface to prime. Might have been overkill but I got good results. Keep in mind that Miles Wilkens --- THE Lotus factory reccomended restoration guy strips..... If you look down a bit in the www.gglotus.org site in the forsale Section I have a picture of my +2 painted.

JerTigger@aol.com My Europa had three finish coats plus several coats of primer in between, had alligator cracks,etc. all the way down. I heard many horror stories about paint strippers after I started. Used BIX stripper from Home Depot let it stay on for about 1 1/2 hours with rewetting in between. I did not have any problems with softening the fiberglass, except I left the small cup I used to hold the remover on the car upside down over night, softened the gelcoat and fiber glass base, no problem only one more patch out of many. It has been about three months since I did that so the chemical should be gassed out by now plus much wet sanding. I had many other things to do on the car and sit will be about another month before it sees primer.

"Warren Hartenstine" <whartenstine@earthlink.net> I stripped, using NAPA 6802, a water-soluble, lower strength stripper. When I applied a sufficient amount, the color coat blistered within 10 minutes and the primer stayed in tact. I washed the car twice after each day's work - about two days.

"Phil Ethier" <pethier@isd.net> I am continuing with my rough removal of paint with the knotted wire wheel. I have been slow to answer requests for a description of this tool, so here we go: The center of the thing is a metal disk about 3 inches in diameter with an integral mandrel threaded to fit an angle grinder. Radiating from the periphery of this disk are maybe a dozen twisted-wire bundles, each of which resembles a section of stout steel cable. The material is twisted in a direction so that as the disc spins, the wire at the contact point with the work is trying to "unwrap". Each wire point in turn imparts quite an impact to the edge of a layer of paint, chipping it off. This is especially effective with very hard paints (just the kind that ought not be on a Europa in the first place, but anyone dumb enough to paint a Europa black when he lives in Hawaii can't be expected to figure that out) which are difficult to sand off. It is true that one can take one layer of paint at a time if sufficient care is used. In one area of the left front fender, I found that the archeological layers consisted of

  1. very hard and brittle paint, as found all over the car,
  2. another layer of the same hard black
  3. gray primer
  4. a layer of blackpaint which, unlike the similar layer elsewhere on the car was soft
  5. medium-hard brown which is evidently a primer of sorts
  6. the usual assortment of metallic blue, primers and the original Lotus Yellow #7.

In this area, I found that I could quickly scrape off layers 1-4 with a sharp wood chisel without going through the layer-5 brown. Too bad it is not like this everywhere! But that is the trouble with this car. There is a basic pattern, but wild variations exist. On the front of the car, around the mouth area, it appears to have one coat of black painted directly on the fiberglass. No primer, no gelcoat, just black paint.

BODY, Rear lid

"Briggs Pletcher" <Briggs1@ix.netcom.com> I believe the gasket on the rear deck lid does not actually act as a seal but rather more of an aesthetic cover for the rough edge of the body behind the window. My S2 had just a "U" channel flexible trim slipped over the edge where the body was trimmed after molding. As for the gap to leave : I just went through he same exercise with my S2. What I found was that there is enough play in the deck holes and in the holes that go through the body behind the window to allow you to align for perfect fit. My biggest concern with hole placement was that the lid did not rub on the sides and that at the back where it "flips" up (the 1970's wing) that it matched up with the peaks in the body. Again the hole size that was originally in the body, maybe 3/8" left enough play around studs to adjust to taste.

Jerry Rude <gdrude@pacbell.net> On my special, there was a seal, like a door seal, which slips over the body lip to seal the front of the hood. I haven't found a replacement yet (haven't been looking very hard though). To fit the lid, I would put it in place, and find where it looks best and mark the hinge location, then drill from that. Also, note that the factory had extra large holes to allow adjustment during assembly, but be careful as too wide will negate all you've accomplished so far (as if you didn't already know...). Make sure you use large fender washers underneath, and the hinges had a gasket between them and the body/hood. It took me awhile to get mine adjusted, and I too had to glass over the stress cracks in that area, though the holes were still visible underneath.

Scott Mitchell <scott@fortner.com> I'd like to pass this one along. I got this from Mark Michalski (who I don't think is on list) at LOG. Mark had drilled a hole in the drain trough for the rear trunk. Then a grommet was installed and this hole was used for the rear trunk prop rod when the trunk basket wasn't in the car. I haven't had to take the trunk off the car since I made this mod. I've found it immensely useful.

BODY, Removal

"Phil Ethier" <pethier@isd.net> (by way of Phil Ethier <phil.ethier@ci.stpaul.mn.us>) Subject: Europa Body Removal Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 08:27:50 –0800 From: VACUUMTUBE@aol.com <VACUUMTUBE@aol.com> >Does anyone happen to have a list of steps to follow to remove said body from a 74 TC Special? That is, what must first be released before removing the body. This is from an exchange with Cory Carpenter, in which I told him about my 1970 Europa S2 chassis' out-of-body experience

\\\\\\\\body removal


>How much of a hassle was it to pull the body >off your frame? Were there a *lot* of electrical connections, or do most of them stay with the dash?

Not too many. I believe in the stock car the wires run under the carpet on the right side of the tunnel, just below the console cover. Since they don't go through the frame, no problem. Take off the engine lid and remove the battery. Disconnect anything that runs between the body and the frame/engine assembly.


>How heavy is the body with, say everything but the seats and steering column in it?


Dunno. Got six guys to lift it.


>you pulled your doors off too, didn't you?)

The doors are still on. The right one has had the hinge pin replaced, the left one needs it (parts came with car). I am going to wait until I am ready to repaint before I pull them. This will be long after the car is afoot again.

>It occurs to me that I could easily fix a good dozen nagging little things one shot if I bit the bullet and pulled my body.

Be sure to check the frame carefully for rust and cracks. The long brake line cannot be replaced with the body on, so check it.

>I think I could build a rack to suspend it over the top of the frame and running gear, and thus keep everything in the garage.

I was going to do this, but never found a way. I never designed a method to hoist the body, as I was advised that the many-people theory was easier on the body. (NOTE: make sure the guys on the front lift only on the rear portion of the front wheelwells. Nobody lifts on the nose.)


>If there's not too much overhead involved, I'm going to make a shot at completing my "restoration" in time for the Norm
>Thompson Historical Races/International Lotus Convention at PIR the 8th through 10th of next month. That gives me two weeks.


I think you are going to be disappointed. Shipwright's disease is a danger here. You will find lots of things you want to do, and two weeks will never do it. There are other reasons for it, but my body has been off for a year.


Here are the things I remember about body removal. Remember the body is destined to go straight up, so look for anything that will prevent that.

Remove both deck lids. The rear on my car had bolts for hinge pins. I threw these away and replaced them with big hair-pins from the hardware store. (Now I can pop the lid off for easy access anytime I want.) The socially acceptable way to remove the rear deck lid with unmodified hinges is to unbolt the hinge from the lid. The front lid is held in by two bolts which serve as hinges. Some day I may replace these with Sonett-style pins.


Remove all electrical connections between body and frame/engine: Back-up light switch at rear of gearbox; brake-light switch on frame, right of engine; starter; alternator; various gauge sensors.


Remove fuel line from engine.


Remove heater and choke cables from engine. Since neither of these things existed on my worked-over car, I have no hints.


Drain cooling system. There does not seem to be a drain anywhere, so removing the radiator hoses is the only way. I took off the upper hose at the radiator end first, and drained down as far as possible by lowering the hose end into a bucket in the nose. I cut up an antifreeze bottle to make a big flat pan to fit under the lower radiator hose connection. Any coolant you spill goes out the drain hole in the nose, so have a pan under the car to catch it.


Remove heater hoses from frame "Y" area. Reach up from under the car.

Remove manifolds. Probably not necessary with stock manifold, but was with my side-draft. I had to take out one of the coolant hoses, too, but maybe on a stock car you can skip out on it.


Remove seats.


Remove inboard seat belt mounts. They go through the body to the frame. Outboard mounts can stay with the body.


Remove brake and clutch pedal assembly, as it through-bolts to frame. Pull the clutch cable all the way from the clutch. Don't forget to reassemble the cable parts. The little barrel that fits the clutch arm clevis is the only part I lost over the time the car was apart. This could only be due to inattention at the time of disassembly.


Remove throttle pedal. Trust me. It blocks access to the hand-brake. Pull the throttle cable all the way out of the car, after disconnecting at the carb end.


Remove hand-brake arm. The umbrella handle can stay attached to the body. The bolt that holds the arm to the frame is reached by removing the rubber plug in the bottom of the trunk/plenum. This is bitch. I have no idea how I am going to hook it up again, but am looking forward to some contortionism and cursing. (I did manage to get it together when the time came. It was a real challenge. Wish I could tell you how I did it, but it was one of those things that just finally came together, amid general rejoicing.)


Remove both coolant hoses from radiator and frame tubes in the nose section.


Remove steering column.


Remove frame-body closing plate. I put this off until later. I was wrong.


Remove brake master cylinder. Four bolts hold the base to the frame. There is a loose plate inside the frame that is tapped for the bolts. This is going to be really fun to refit (I discovered a trick for reinstallation: Bolt the loose plate inside the frame without the master-cylinder base. Drill a hole through the frame and plate in the middle, between the big holes. Install a pop-rivet. Remove the bolts and the plate stays put whilst you install the master-cylinder base with the four bolts. The bottom ones are easier to reach with the frame-body closing plate out.)


The link from the (now removed) brake pedal will come with the base. To get the base out after the bolts are out, either raise the steering rack or remove the lower closing plate. I moved the rack. I was wrong. Closing plate is easier. Be very careful around the nose after the closing plate is out, as the nose has no support and you can crack the glass over the wheelwells.


Remove shift knob.


Remove console cover.


At the center base of the dashboard are two angle brackets. Remove the vertical bolts that secure them to threaded bosses in the frame.


Remove hoses that run from frame to heater cores.


Remove three body/frame bolts from each side of the tunnel on the firewall behind the seat area. There are nuts on the other end, on angles welded to the frame.


Remove one body/frame bolt from each side on the rear of frame rails flanking the gearbox.


Remove one body/frame bolt from each side of the trunk/plenum area. There are supposed to be rubber plugs covering these, but of course the plugs were missing on my car. In fact, the BOLTS were missing! I really wonder about some of the previous owners of this car.


If front closing plate is still attached, remove the two bolts that hold it to the nose. If you have been paying attention to my mistakes, you have already removed this part.


If you are going to work on fuel tanks, unfasten them now. Loosen the clamps and release the filler hoses. The tanks are held into the body by several tiny nut-bolt combos. If you still have the factory splash covers in front of the rear wheels, and of course I don't, they will have to come out to reach the nuts. When the tanks are loose, drop them to the floor. You will not be able to remove them yet. (When I put the tanks back in, I used bigger [!] 1/4-inch bolts, nylock nuts and large fender washers.)


Make a flat cart to match the width of the car and the length of the rocker panels. Use four casters, not fixed wheels. Pad the top.


Call the troops. You will need at least six besides yourself.


Be sure everything is ready. Shift the gearbox to neutral. Have the muscular types lift on the wheelwells. Remember to lift only near the back of the front ones. Nobody lifts on the nose.


Yank out the fuel tanks.

Roll the chassis straight back and out of the way. Be sure the tires and gear lever miss the body.


Roll the cart in from the side. Have the muscular types lower the body onto the cart.


Let the muscular types make jokes about putting a motorcycle saddle on the frame and driving it. :-)


Have one of the attending Lotus enthusiasts convince you to remove everything from the frame, strip and repaint it. :-) :-)


(Good thing, too. I found a couple of cracks that had to be repaired.)


(When I put the body back on, I replaced all the water-trapping felt with closed-cell foam.)
pethier@isd.net

"Ed & Ruth Young" <lotusracer@home.com> Subject: Europa body removal Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 08:29:04 –0600 Many years ago, I removed the body from my Twin Cam Europa. Some helpful tips follow. Of course, you will want to remove all attaching bolts, gearshift knob, the seats(to lighten the body even more) and the oil pressure line(that's the one I almost forgot). I then started by jacking the body slowly off the frame, a little here, a little there to make sure that I indeed had undone all the important things. After raising it quite a bit, I took some long 4X4's and slid them through the wheel arch openings, one at the front 'T' section and one at the rear. They were long enough for my helpers to grab onto and to lift the body with. No wheel arch grabbing please! We lifted it up, clearing the shifter and walked it out of the garage. Later, we carried it back in, and set it down on the other half of the garage. When I put the body back on, I did it all by myself. I took 2 'come alongs', attaching one to the center of the 4X4 in the rear, which I had bolted to the body to prevent slipping, and the other one I attached to 2 eyebolts that I had attached to the 4X4 in the front through the shock bolt access holes. Winched the body up, rolled the chassis back under it, and slowly lowered it back on. A couple of clicks in front, a couple of clicks in the rear, watching and adjusting position of the chassis as I went. Once the body was resting on the 4X4's that were resting on the chassis, I took the jacks and raised the body back up enough to unbolt the 4X4's and slide them out. Then, all I needed to do was to lower it back off of the jacks. As light as the Europa body is, this was extremely easy on the back.

From: Mark Hollingsworth <markh@olympus.net>

12 mounting bolts (I think I counted them all)
2 seat belt bolts
Brake rod
Pedals
front body closing plate
steering column pulled back
fusebox
heater hoses (inside car)
shifter inside car
parking brake cable
master cylinder

Those are the things I can think of off the top of my head. Most of the stuff you have already removed doesn't need to be taken off to remove the body.

BODY, Seal protection

Steve Shipley <shiples@home.com> Subject: Re: Rubber treatment Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:06:37 -0700
I use Meguiar's #40 for appearance. With 1 year's experience I can't vouch for the long term performance claims.


Mark MarKell wrote: Anyone recommend a good treatment for rubber seals at doors, windows to keep the rubber from cracking with age and exposure?

BODY, Sill installation

Jerry Rude <gdrude@pacbell.net> Warren Hartenstine wrote: It appears to me from the manual and from my memory of removing them that you would install the chrome strip and clips, and put the two sided tape on the car. It appears to me from the manual and from my memory of removing them that you would install the chrome strip and clips, and put the two sided tape on the car just below the chrome clips. Then push the sill straight up, nesting the lead edge under the chrome strip, against the two sided tape, and into the bottom clip at the same time. I do know that my sills were pretty tightly nested up under that chrome strip. Manual says, "To remove the trim sills, drill out pop rivet at both front and rear top edges, ease sills away from body at their upper edges, and remove by pushing down away from the clip. Replace by reversing these instructions."


Warren, good description, right on.

BODY, Sill paint

Jerry Rude <gdrude@pacbell.net> Landaiche Ken (Nokia/PL) wrote: I don't. But I do have one that was painted with some gawdoffal gold metal flake paint. It doesn't match the one on the other side of the car. Does anyone know what the official paint is for that sill? And while we're at it, does anyone know what double sided tape to use for installing it?

For the double stick tape, look in the 3M catalog. They have some neat stuff, I even have some left from mine, if you can't find any. The sparkley paint I used was mixed up by the paint guy. That is he mixed the "binder" which I poured in the "sparkleys" and shot it on the sills. You have to be patient, as it doesn't cover well and the sparkle bits get everywhere. Also, its made so the sparkles stand on end, thats why its so expensive (80 for the sparkles/binder) After that dries, shoot 3 coats of clear, wait 24 hrs, another 3 coats. Worked pretty well, but getting the flakes on without tiger stripes is difficult. I went to a boat guy, to try and get the original type system, but he wanted $250 for the pair to be done in glass.

Jerry Rude <gdrude@pacbell.net> Landaiche Ken (Nokia/PL) wrote: This is getting interesting. What gun are you using for the paint work? And do you have a booth set up, or renting space as needed? And what do you mean about tiger stripes? As I recall, the sparkly paint is gold, right? I find it hard to believe that all Europa Special color scemes would use the same sill color, except that it would be cheaper :)


For the gun, I just have an old sharpe touchup gun, not any low pressure/high volume jobby doo, just an old high pressure type which I cranked up the pressure a little to get the flakes to go thru the nozzle. No booth, just a table in the garage where I shot the thing. The tiger stripes, as described to me by the tech at the paint store, are when the flakes align themselves such that when looking at the piece at an angle, it appears there are stripes. You want the flakes to be at random angles so it appears consistant. I would have thought the sills should be gold also, considering the gold pinstripes, etc., but all I've run across is the silver flake ones (which mine were/are). I think that is the only color, but check with Randall, he may know of other variations.

BODY, Spoiler

"Brian Martley" <Brian.Martley@tesco.net> When the first TC was launched in the UK, Lotus quoted some figures for drag at 100mph for the new body shape/spoiler - saying the spoiler was to reduce the effects of removing the rear fins on straight line stability. Quoted reduced lift from 66lb to 34lb with a drag coeff of 0.35. Also quoted lower roll centres at 3.25" and spring rates of 68/76 in half-laden state. I assume the "before" figure was for UK spec, the R&T test quotes 95lbs lift for the US S2.

JERTIGGER2@cs.com It looks like if the front is lowered the spoiler may be removed without any effect on the car. I have already installed short springs with adjustable perches at the lowest setting. One less part to prep, prime, sand and put back on.

BODY, Windows

Jerry Rude <gdrude@pacbell.net> Subject: E(U)ropa Update - Brake saga continues Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:14:04 –0800 Just an update as things progress. The glass guy came to the house again, third time! The front winshield was installed on the second trip, glued in with urethane instead of the old butyl type mastic. He says its the new legal glue and 9 times stronger than the butyl. The chrome plastic trim was really a mess, he stuck it on the window after warming it and brought the window up "encapsulated", but it was still wavey and malformed. He cleaned the grove in the car, put a foam "dam" in (a 1/4 inch square foam strip which keeps the glue from oozing all over), and put a black primer in and then put a 1/4 x 3/4 inch bead of glue in the groove. Then he put the windshield with trim attached in his truck and turned up the heater. It sure was warm when he removed it and the trim really became pliable. We then just stuck in on. It looks pretty good now - not perfect but presentable. The rear window was a different matter though, on the first trip he made a pattern, on the second trip we tried to install it, but he cut it too small. So today he returned with a new window and worked from 9:30 AM straight to 3
PM putting that thing in. Finally, he got the whole thing in, even with all the right tools, that window is a bear!! So I'm $250 poorer but much happier .:-)

"Al Hostettler" <honor@erinet.com> Subject: Europa rear window Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 20:23:59 –0500 I feel as if great progress was made tonight. I started at 6:05 pm to install my rear window. At 7:27 pm I was cleaning things up. While it is not the easiest job and some help would probably be helpful, I did it myself and really did not think it was that bad. I was really afraid this would be a major job, so I had reserved this Saturday to do this. Now what will I do with Saturday? I have to admit it is not a perfect job. Even though I was stretching the molding it came up about 1/8 inch short. Well after looking at it a bit I decided it was OK. Then I installed the plastic retaining trim. I stretched this too but came up about 1/2 inch short. Well this will just have to do, besides maybe that is how it was originally. I have some black silicone that will seal it up water tight and it will be fine. Now if only the heater core is as easy.

thomas.b.smith1@jsc.nasa.gov writes: > What is the earlier windshield surround? Black rubber channel, narrow silver plastic locking strip. If the strip ages, you just paint it black for a nice look. Or, you black it out from day one to keep it simple. The visual effect of the silver strip in the black rubber is similar to that of any 1991-1998 Lincoln Town Car, around all side windows and rear screen. Since you are in Texas, there should be plenty of those Lincolns around -- nice "land yacht" or "prarie schooner" huh? Mine was my "beltway battlecruiser" in the D.C. area! ken ritchie atlanta

BRAKES, Binding

Jay Mitchell <jemitchell@compuserve.com> Jason Rowan wrote: <snip> Basically, after a short drive the brakes won't release all the way, the brake lights stay on, and all the brakes get nice and hot.


Sounds like you've got residual hydraulic pressure that's not being released. That's the only way the brake lights would stay on. Something must be functioning as a "one way valve," allowing the pressure to increase but then retaining it when you release the pedal. Is the pedal being fully returned to its rest position? I'd check the Mc/pedal linkage and make sure that the pedal and MC have positive return action.

Mark Hollingsworth <markh@olympus.net> It sounds to me as if you have a bad flex brake hose. I've had those act like one way valves before, they pump up, but will not release. Replace your hoses- probably due anyway.

"Mark MarKell" <Type46@micro-engineering.com> It sounds like the MC/pedal is not retracting all the way or is not adjusted to come all the way back when released. You said you replaced the MC and the adjustment would be suspect. Check and adjust the pedal free play at the MC.

"SMITH, THOMAS B. (JSC-DX)" <thomas.b.smith1@jsc.nasa.gov> Since all four brakes are binding and the brake light stays on, I would suspect the master cylinder, or the transfer mechanism on the front frame. Also, the pedal itself could be binding. Does the pedal return completely? Try pulling up on it and have someone see if the lights go out. Try to operate the pedal by hand to check for binding, free return etc. Also check the booster, if equipped. I've had one go bad on my Seven which caused the exact same thing.

BRAKES, Bleeding

You might start bleeding the brakes one wheel at a time to see where the leaks are. But you might just start rebuilding each corner since you'll probably have to anyway. Read up on the pesky brake fail switch. You have to carefully bleed each side a bit at a time to keep from tripping that SOVY device. (Is that the item?) I have found that the pressurized EeziBleed (Sp?) bleeder works the best. Ken Landaiche

I would not get too depressed about the brakes. My 70 S2 had not turned a wheel in 16 years whilst standing in a lean to behind horse stables. Any part that had been in contact with brake fluid had a white crystalline deposit on it that washed / wire brushed off. I washed all internals with Methylated spirits ( Ethanol with a purple dye in it ) before assembling the bits using clean brake fluid. Front calipers only need a seal kit and probably pistons if the plating has started to flake off. The seal fits in a groove in the bore so sleeving is not needed. Rear slave cylinders will need a girling seal kit and the rubber dust cover that fits around the hand brake lever. If the bore will not clean up with 1200 grit wet silicon carbide paper then a SS sleeve will be needed. $15 equivalent in South Africa at most brake specialists. Master cylinder about the same as the slave cylinders. Discs.Girling note that they are "Lotus supply" ! and I therefore skimmed a few thou off until they were clean and true. Rear drums. I skimmed most of the grooves off without them being too thin. Servo. After spending hours making a special tool to split the front and rear shell I put the bits in a box and decided to operate without it !!!. No one here is interested in rebuilding it. That includes Girling themselves. I have Girling parts lists and diagrams for all the S1 & S2 brakes both plain and boosted which I can send you if need be. All this assumes that your later car uses about the same gear. Geoff Ford Cape Town South Africa.

Power-bleed them. Air can get in a line in a place where it does not all get moved in one stroke of the pedal. Then the air bubble just returns to a high spot in time for you to repeat the process. Power-bleeding, as with a Gunson E Z Bleed, can move a lot more fluid in one shot, thus carrying the air out of the zone where it can backstream. Phil Ethier Saint Paul Minnesota USA

In addition, you need to get all the old fluid out of the lines and to pump it back up, ...there's nothing like using a pressure bleeder. You can make one pretty easy with some larger pvc pipe (mine is 3"), fittings, and a doner MC lid w/ a quick disconnect fitting screwed/sealed on. Put about 5-10lbs of pressure on the system and you get a nice steady stream of fluid flowing out till it's clean and air-free. Usually you start at the furthest wheel from the master cyl. and work back towards it. I'd price out building my own SS braided lines w/ earl's fittings vs. pre-made. It's a good thing to know how to do, semi-fun, and there's all kinds of plumbing jobs you'll want to tackle to trick out the lotus and make it look like an airplane ;). I have an S2, but have had a coupla MGC's which used boosters and I'd say throw 'em overboard if they give you trouble. Something like $300 each to rebuild, (15 years ago) they're heavy, take up space and I actually prefered the firmer pedal you end up with. (I changed the MC) And don't get brake fluid on the paint. Good luck. Jeff

As for the brakes, I finally solved the bleeding delimma. The pedal was moving about 1.5 inches and spongy Friday. So I decided to remove all the brake line going aft (3 lines total) and s**tcan the differential pressure switch, and ran a single line back aft as it should have had originally (Fed requirement with the boosters). With the lines out, and after talking with Ken at Bean, I bench bled the master cylinder. This involves making short lines which dump the fluid back into the reservoir. I pumped it several times (it was still in the car so I couldn't see how much air came out) and then put a solid plug in the front outled port. The pedal went in half way and was solid. OK, so the foot valve for the front piston seems to be working (Thanks for the tip though John, I too thought this was it). Then I put a plug in the back outlet port. Very nice pedal then, solid and very little play, proving the MC is OK. So the culprit must have been air in the lines (I had to be sure). Anyway, I replaced the 3 lines with one, put a short jumper in for the front discs and bled 2 pints thru the system. I still had significant pedal movement! But if I put the parking brake on now, the pedal is reasonable. So tomorrow I'll check the brake shoes to see if they are round, or what and if they are causing the excessive pedal movement. (I really hate it when Kiyoshi is right - thanks guy :-) Jerry - getting there finally – Rude 73 Special


BRAKES, Boosters

Chances are they are not going to work after sitting for so long. You can have them rebuilt ($$), switch to Lockheed (?) units, or eliminate them, and use the S2 MC. I think Jerry Rude just did this. The tech article is at the GGLC web site.

"Ed & Ruth Young" <lotusracer@home.com> Subject: (U)Europa booster/brake question Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:15:51 –0600 I am forwarding this question for a friend who is the original owner of a 1974 Europa Twin Cam. His only e-mail is through work, and he is unable to subscribe to the list there. So, therefore I am posting this question for him :


>Nearly two years ago, I went through the process of rebuilding the brake >boosters of my Europa Special. Heeding the advice of Ray Psulkowski at R.D.Enterprises, I had the bores resleeved, and from Steve Styer's recommendation, by White Post Restorations. This was not cheap ($50 per bore, 5 bores per cylinder body, 2 bodies for the car), nor were the rebuild kits at $120 each. After all of that, imagine my disappointment when upon application, the brake pedal slowy but surely starts to push back at me! No matter how hard I push, the brake pedal continues it's travel back upwards. This really reduces one's confidence level when driving the car, especially in traffic. I have called White Post, and they seem puzzled by this too. Are you aware of anyone who has had this experience?


>Also, one extra favor....I would appreciate if someone could tell me what the "theory of operation" is for these boosters, which are the Girling Powerstop Mk2B remote servos. If nothing else, I could try to figure out the problem if only I knew how the crazy things worked! My e-mail address is
sarro_carl@videojet.com, phone number at work is (630)860-7394 x1853, or (847)464-5213 at home.

I am about to remove the last brake booster from my '74 Special and thought I might share what I have learned so far. According to DBE the TC MC is .875. When removing the boosters the logical replacement would be the MC from an S2 Europa, except it was discontinued by Girling years ago. DBE specs it as .700. What I intend to try is to have the current MC sleeved in brass to .700, then have the pistons turned to match and use an S2 rebuild kit. Jerry Rude has drawings with the S2 internal dimensions for getting the pistons setup. I plan on getting the piston work done first, and then sending the whole lot to Whitepost or Apple and having them do the complete rebuild. I'll keep the list updated as this project progresses. Tom Rollins 1974 Lotus Europa Special 4158R tom@ntcs-inc.com

Robert "Fast Bob" Scheib <Robert.Scheib@gte.net> Your attempts to bleed out your Europa's brake system sounds very familiar - my car had sat for about 9 years when I bought it, and the brakes weren't working "very well" when I drove it home!! Oh my, now thats a story!! After many attempts at flushing and bleeding - the flushed out fluid looked the same- nasty, and there just did'nt seem to be much pedal effort, although the m.cyl. held pressure when it's line fittings were plugged. I finally realized that the boosters were leaking internally, and were filling up with fluid! You may be experiencing the same thing. During my cars restoration process I've replumbed the brakes to be "non-boosted", installed a S2 mastercylinder and Aeroquip flex lines. I now have a very firm pedal with just the right effort and "feel". If you want to keep your boosters [a real undertaking to rebuild!!] and existing mastercylinder, I would recommend sending the m.cyl. to "Whitepost Restorations" to be rebored and brass sleeved - I've had super good results from this operation. A "hone" and new seals are a waste of time.

Ken Landaiche <ken.landaiche@dlcc.com> Subject: RE: Europa Pedal Drawing! Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:41:27 –0800 From: whs018@conrad.appstate.edu [mailto:whs018@conrad.appstate.edu Am I asking for trouble using boosterless brakes on a Europa? Since the Europa uses a single cylinder setup, wouldn't it be too much trouble to convert the car to use double cylinders?


My TC Special came to me without any boosters. I changed toa smaller master cylinder. It works well. It uses a single cylinder, but two brake circuits. So a dual cylinder setup would require some cutting, but the plumbing would be preserved. The stock Europa's brake balance isn't the best. Having dual cylinders, and the associated variable balance bar, would allow precise tuning of fore-aft braking. That was what Mike referred to.

Jerry Rude gdrude@pacbell.net Subject: Re: (U)Europa booster/brake question Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:13:30 –0800 Join Lotus Ltd for $20 and get the Europa book for $15, it has an article on using the Europa without the brake boosters. It involves utilizing lower quality brake pads/shoes to achieve a high enough coefficient of friction. Or convert to a S2 master cylinder, or have yours sleeved down to the S2 size and have the pistons machined down to match. The S2 and the TC cylinders are the same design, only difference is the piston/bore diameters.

Lotus Ltd Europa manual Section J, page 3 has an excellent article on tuning the boosters written by Charles Rehrenbach. The book is $15 if you are a club member, and $20 to join the club.

Now on the GGLC site - 3 new tech articles... An excellent one from Jerry Rude detailing the conversion of TC Europa brakes to non-boosted system using S2 dual master cylinder. http://www.gglotus.org

I have the Tilton brake(dual master)/clutch overhanging "buy it off the shelf" setup in my autocross/racing prepared europa. Yes, it has a hydraulic clutch conversion. Yes, it has a bracket to mount the assembly to the chassis cross member with the reservoirs sticking up into the plenum chamber. And finally, yes, you have to cut the fiberglass at the front of the foot well to mount the bracket to the chassis member which would allow air/water to enter, but on a non street car that's not a problem. It's easier to buy it pre made and then adapt it than to make a new design yourself (been there, done that, wasted time there). Trust me I'm a doctor. :) christopher

richard.clifton@bigfoot.com I have restored three Lotus cars and each time used a copper nickle alloy brake pipe called Kunifer 10 (I think it is spelt that way). It has been excellent in service and on the Elan I restored 16 years ago the pipes show no sign of deterioration in any way. I get all my brake parts supplied by Classicar Automotive in Cheshire (+44 (0) 625 860910) and have always had good service from them. However...After reading the previous posts I rang them to ask if they still supplied Kunifer 10 and they say they now only supply copper pipes! They say that in the restoration business copper is now used 100 times more frequently than the Kunifer. They admit it is softer (thereby easier to work with) and that it is a perfectly good material for the job. Maybe one shouldn't use it for out & out race cars but in general use it would seem OK. Richard A Clifton, Wakefield, 1967 Elan S3 S/E DHC 1967 +2 1973 Europa TC 1990 Elan SE (150,000 miles) 1988 Sealine 305 Statesman

BRAKES, Bleeding

Jerry Rude <gdrude@pacbell.net> Jason, sounds somewhat like the problems I was having on bleeding my brakes. I too was using the ezibleed system. I found that for some reason the ezibleed would not push the bubble past the 3 way junction where the brake light switch is, on top of the left side of the frame, just behind the frame "Y". What I did was remove the bolt securing the junction, and put a rag under it. Then using the ezibleed, crack one of the line fittings. Then return to the rear wheels and bleed both of them. That firmed my pedal up substantually.

I have had "pedal to the metal" problems for the following reasons:

  • The caliper pistons too far in, pump a while until they fill.
  • Rear cylinders not adjusted tight enough, leaves lots of play in pedal.
  • Fore/aft brake lines had rust pinholes inside tunnel.
  • Too much air in lines. can be tough to bleed. eventually got an EeziBleed.

In addition, I have heard of:

  • boosters leaking internally (but you don't mention any)
  • master seal leaking

The biggest problem over the years was bleeding the lines. I tried all of the gizmos after exhausting the help of innocent bystanders. I only started getting consistently good brakes when I started using a pressure bleeder. Ken Landaiche 1974 4631R

BRAKES, Calipers


The stock calipers are Spitfire and are still easy and cheap to obtain, so I don't worry much about them. Phil Ethier Saint Paul Minnesota USA Lotus Europa, VW Quantum Syncro, Chev Suburban LOON, TCVWC, MAC
pethier@isd.net http://www.visi.com/mac/

BRAKES, Caliper sleeves

Randall Fehr <rsfehr@seanet.com> Subject: RE: Euro-spec Europa (U) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:08:47 -0800
"Peter M. Blackford" <
pmbsab@naples.infi.net> Anyone on the List know of any replacement calipers in aluminum or SS? At worst, yours may need to be resleeved (White Post Restorations has been hignly recommended by others...)


No need re-sleeve these calipers. The piston seals against an o-ring located in the caliper bore. The actual bore surface in the caliper has no sealing function, and as long as it is clean will not interfere with piston movement.

BRAKES, Converting

Mark Hollingsworth <markh@olympus.net> Aaron: > I'm considering converting my dual-line non-servo Europa to earlier single-line so that I can get a new MC with a smaller bore (0.62").

Like others probably will tell you, I recommend staying with a dual circuit system. It is worth having the safety of brakes if one part fail. I like SAABs system they have used since the 60's- diagonal circuits.

BRAKES, Fluid

Keith Gustafson <gusmach@shore.net> Subject: Re headlights & brake fluid Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 13:43:19 –0400 This same conversation keeps coming up about silicone brake fluid. I have been running silicone in my +2 for 14 years, covering about 65k miles in that time, with NO problems. It bleeds fine, works fine etc. etc. I have no idea where this info comes from.

Robert Tufts <rbt@frontiernet.net> Subject: Re: Re headlights & brake fluid Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:18:59 –0400 You have to be very careful installing the stuff. Because of the viscosity it traps micro air bubbles. You wouldn't want to take a can that got shaken real good and try to bleed it and when overheated at the track all these micro air bubbles expand. It is also not compatable with all seals (check on indivual basis). also it's not recommended on some ABS systems because of different viscosity. On a